Strong's Concordance # 622 -apollumi --perish 33, destroy 26, lose 22, be lost 5, lost 4, miscellaneous 2
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should
not perish, but have everlasting life.
( I always thought "perish" here, meant "go to hell when you die" )
Here are some different ways "apollumi" is used:
the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.
Matthew 5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one
of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
Matthew 10:39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.
Luke 15:9 And when she hath found it, she calleth her friends and her neighbours together, saying, Rejoice with me;
for I have found the piece which I had lost. ( has nothing to do with her coin going to hell when it died )
Matthew 12:14 Then the Pharisees went out, and held a council against him, how they might destroy him.
Romans 14:15 But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy
meat, for whom Christ died.
The word perish was used to mean more than one thing. Contrary to what we have been taught, it does not mean
"go to hell when we die". From worn out wine skins to killing someone or, simply, offending a young Christian
brother, it is plain to see that to perish is used to show negativity in one sense or another.
devoured by the adversary, the god of this world...the prince and power of the air. So, where does all this "negativity"
come from? Was it a surprise to God? Maybe He had to brainstorm for plan B when Adam and Eve ate that fruit.?
No, I believe He had the whole plan for His creation in His mind before He ever said "let there be light." How else
could the lamb have been slain before the foundation of the world? Perishing is as much a part of God's plan for
humanity as believing. Darkness needs light. Hunger needs bread. Sinners need a savior.
Strong's Concordance # 622 -apollumi --perish 33, destroy 26, lose 22, be lost 5, lost 4, miscellaneous 2
Look at 2 Corinthians 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
Here are a few verses that use "lost" :Obviously, it comes from the same Greek word as perish. We just tend to use it
a little differently but it means the same. When referring to people, it means that until we find the Way, Truth, and
Life, for ourselves, we are groping about as a blind man. We are perishing, or, lost.
Acts 5:37 After this man rose up Judas of Galilee in the days of the taxing, and drew away much people after him:
he also perished; and all, even as many as obeyed him, were dispersed.
John 6:12 When they were filled, he said unto his disciples, Gather up the fragments that remain, that nothing be
John 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life,
and that they might have it more abundantly
John 18:14 Now Caiaphas was he, which gave counsel to the Jews, that it was expedient that one man should die
for the people
John 6:27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which
the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed
I would say that lost, when it comes to people, pretty much means what we have been taught that it means.. I grew up
knowing that people were either "saved" or "lost". If you are lost, you are not saved. Or, another way to say it is... you
are not relying on the work of the cross to make you in right standing before God. You are walking in the false
security of your own agenda, out from under the umbrella of God's protection. And, His wrath will rain down on your
head until you get under it. ( you were made for Him) This last verse shows the purpose of Christ's coming to
earth....to seek and to SAVE the lost. Now, tell me, who among us was not lost? That's right, nobody. So, who did
Christ come to save? That's right, everybody!
Luke 19:10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.
Romans 2:1 Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest
another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things
thing which he alloweth.
righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.
Matthew 27:3 Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and
brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders,
John 8:10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are
those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
but they all have to do with being judged by God or someone else, or, by one's self. The two main ones that we think
of when we think of judgment are the ones listed. These certainly show that to be an unbeliever is not the way to go.
While the bible does not teach, in the original languages, eternal torment, it certainly does teach that it is still a
fearful thing to fall into the hands of a living God. God, whose very definition is love, gives us a very sober warning in
Hebrews(quoted from Psalms) that if we hear His voice we are not to harden our hearts.
consequences. Jesus said, "I am the way, truth, and the life, and no one comes to the Father but by Me." Yes, Jesus
does draw ALL to Himself, but, His way only. He loves us too much to leave us in our condemned state. His love/wrath
will win. As the old hymn says:
destroy. And, this is because it is one of the scriptures used to support the teaching of endless hell.
able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
As usual, when He talked about hell,(Gehenna) Jesus was not talking to sinners, He was talking to His disciples.
Neither did Jesus say "hell" in this verse, He said "Gehenna" which is what it really was, a valley outside of
Jerusalem....don't know which translator decided to plug hell in there instead of what it really said??? (Details about
Gehenna are on the "hell" page.)
repentance to the people of Israel. That they were not to fear what man could do to them but to fear what He could
do if they let the fear of man deter them. Some teachers say "destroy" here means to annihilate completely but I
up in Gehenna (slaughtered in AD 70 or thrown there as a worthless, dead body) would be the utter humiliation for
God's chosen people. Another reason I disagree that destroy means annihilation in Gehenna is because Jesus told
the Pharisees in Matthew 23 that they were children of hell(Gehenna). He asked them, "how shall you escape the
damnation of Gehenna?" Then tells them, "you won't see me again UNTIL you say, blessed is He that comes in the
name of the Lord." Whatever Gehenna meant to them or even if it means hell to us, those Pharisee will walk right
out of it with a brand new attitude and praise for the Messiah. And we have to remember that Paul told the Romans
that ALL of Israel would be saved. Shameful, regretful? Yes. Endless? No!
give in exchange for his soul?
Mt 20:28 Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for
Mt 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all
Mt 26:38 Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with
imagined any such place, outside the present state of being. Nor can there be the least doubt about the nature of
this killing of the body; for the passage is so constructed as to settle this question beyond all controversy. It is taking
away the natural life, as was done by the persecutors of the apostles. The Jews were in a condition of depravity
properly represented by Gehenna. The apostles had been in that condition, but had been delivered from it. By
supposing the word Hell to denote a condition now and in the present life, there is no absurdity involved. Sinful men
may here suffer both natural death and moral death; but in the future life, natural death cannot be suffered; whatever
may be said of moral death. Fear not men, your persecutors, who can inflict on you only bodily suffering. But rather
fear him who is able to inflict both bodily suffering, and what is worse, mental and moral suffering, in that condition of
depravity represented by the foulest and most revolting locality known to the Jewish people."
"Woe unto you Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte; and when
he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of Hell than yourselves." Matt. xxiii:15.
Looking upon the smoking valley, and thinking of its corruptions and abominations, to call a man a "child of
Gehenna" was to say that his heart was corrupt and his character vile, but it no more indicated a place of woe after
death, than a resident of New York would imply such a place by calling a bad man a child of Five Points.
Eternal: Strong's Concordance # 166 Aionios ( eternal 42, everlasting 25, the world began, since the world
began, for ever 1 )
Aionios is from another Greek word Strong's # 165 Aion. Aionios is the adjective of Aion. It is translated ( evermore
4, age 2, eternal
ever 71, world 38, never ) Aion and aionios are the words that are crucial to understanding Universal Salvation.
Because of that Aion is going to have a page all it's own. We can determine the meaning of a word by how it is used
in the scriptures, not necessarily by the definition the writers of the concordance give us. This is the case with Aion
and Aionios. They are very versatile words, as you can see by all the ways it has been translated. How can the same
word mean "never" and "forever" at the same time? Sometimes it is translated "age" and that seems to be the
judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say,
Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. ( It strikes me strange that "damnation"(judgment) in this verse is the lesser
sentence that hell fire. How can you get any worse than damnation???)
unto victory. Hum...damnation unto victory? Whose victory? Could it be the Messiah's who came to take away
the sin of the world? Could it be through that "judgment or damnation" that He would bring victory? It
could! Victory for God...He gets His creation back. Victory for Christ.... He accomplishes His mission(It is
finished!) Victory for mankind....in Adam all die, in Christ all are made alive!
for when thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness"
they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here. It would sound pretty silly to say
they would rise in "damnation" wouldn't it? Seeing how they repented when Jonah preached to them........Do you
think Jonah preached hell fire and damnation to those heathens? No, here's what he told them..."On the day Jonah
entered the city, he shouted to the crowds: "Forty days from now Nineveh will be destroyed!"
If Hell was a reality, why in the world did Jonah not tell them about it?
the end of this chapter we see that even with the judgment of hell(Gehenna), they end up with a brand new attitude
toward the Messiah.
Mark 6:11 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under
your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in
the day of judgment, than for that city
judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
John 16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
taken from the earth
2 Peter 2:11 Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them
before the Lord.
Damnation is translated from two different Greek words
measured to you again.
Matthew 23:14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a
pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
they which see might be made blind. Now, if you believe damnation is eternal torment, then you will have to see that
damnation here(judgment) causes those who can't see to see.
judgments, and his ways past finding out
discerning the Lord's body. We read what the judgment was for not discerning the Lord's body (each other)...for
some are weak and sickly and some sleep(die).
now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not
ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus
souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped
the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived
and reigned with Christ a thousand years ( how would that verse sound if we replaced judgment with damnation?)
Try to see if for what it is, not how we have been "programed" to see it.
judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say,
Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
judgment unto victory. There's that "victory" word again.... It is so good to be free from fear!
verse from Young's Literal Translation.....Serpents! brood of vipers! how may ye escape from the judgment of
the gehenna? In all of the literal translations the original words are used instead of the hell words. In this particular
verse, you will notice that "judgment" is used insttead of "damnation"...Did the translators have an agenda???
evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. Daniel 12:2 speaks of this. Instead of damnation Daniel said shame and
contempt. That makes sense doesn't it? The apostle Paul said he had hope in the resurrection of the just and the
unjust. Who is their right mind would hope for most people to be raised from the dead to be sentenced to a fate much
worse than death?
happen here? When is the judgment of this world? When was the prince of this world cast out? On the cross!
kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:
before the Lord.
so are we in this world.
earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.
Considering that "aionian" is not a word that means endless and seeing how these "damnation" words are used, we
can know that aionian judgment is for a period of time. Eternal damnation makes no sense. If Jesus paid the price for
our sin and it was "eternal damnation" He would still be eternally damned. But we know He rose from the dead and is
at the right hand of the Father waiting for the completion of this great plan and helping us when we need Him.
hither to torment us before the time?
Mt 14:24 But the ship was now in the midst of the sea, tossed with waves: for the wind was contrary.
day with their unlawful deeds;)
Re 11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to
another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth
false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the
presence of the Lamb:
PRESENCE of God! Saint and sinner will go through testing. Saints learn to judge themselves. Sinners
are judged because they wouldn't judge themselves. We both learn what is lacking in us.
There are three or four words translated torment, but since this one is the one that most traditional
believers use to show torment lasts forever, I have used it. One of the words translated torment is
Kolasis, which is also translated punishment. (remember in the Greek language, it means to prune)
colour of the streak produced on it by rubbing it with either metal
to question by applying torture
to vex with grievous pains (of body or mind), to torment
to be harassed, distressed
of those who at sea are struggling with a head wind
told of the restoration of all things of redemption, and reconciliation. Paul said that God commands all men to repent.
We know from John that the wrath of God abides on those who do not believe. We know that Godly sorrow causes
repentance. We know that the Pharisees, after being condemned to Hell, Gehenna, come out of Gehenna with a new
attitude toward the Messiah. The torment or testing for genuineness, will be a grievous process but it will bring the
purification needed for them to see the truth.
grocery store, watch, as they test it for genuineness. They rub something over it and if it is counterfeit it
will show up. The fire of God will test all of us at one time or another.
As believers, we submit to the baptism of the Holy Spirit and fire. Those who do not believe find
themselves "tormented" by the fire of the righteous judgment of God. Like the rich man that found
himself in hell/Hades. Why was he tormented? What was working on him to make him so miserable? The
torment he found himself in was revealing what was in his own heart. Here he was the rich man who
dressed in the robes of royalty...purple, seeing the penniless beggar NOT in heaven, but in the bosum
If you drive your car, obeying the rules, there is no law against you. You will be tested by meters, speed
traps, traffic stops and questioning. Since you broke no laws, you are free to drive.
If you drive a car over the speed limit, you broke the law. You recieve a fine and a ticket, along with
insurance demerits. This is to help you recognize that speeding is not productive to society and yourself.
If you drive your car drunk, you broke the law. Because of being drunk, you drive a car over the speed
limit. You recieve a fine, a ticket, lose your license and spend some time in jail. This is to help you
recognize that DUI is not productive to society and yourself.
A touchstone, which is a black siliceous stone used to test the purity of gold or silver by the colour of
the streak produced on it by rubbing it with either metal.
Everyone was tested by meters, speed traps, traffic stops and questioning. They were all tested to
determine if they had broken any law.
Not everyone broke the law, and some did. Some crimes were worse than others when the law was
Torture, torment, acute pains of the pains of a disease
Those who broke the laws, suffered a series of fines, demerits or even jail time.
The rack or instrument of torture by which one is forced to divulge the truth
Police need to use breatholizers, lie-detectors, interrigation tactics, and methods used to determine if
you were DUI. Evidences gathered from these techniques, divulge the truth.
Of those in hell after death
The man who commits a DUI, is taken from society and seperated from his life. He is nolonger free and
while under custody and in jail, suffers for his crimes in hopes that he may recognize his actions were
not productive to society and himself.
purify, and to ward off disease
And it's from # 2304 Theios definition: a general name of deities or divinities as used by the Greeks
spoken of the only and true God, trinity of Christ, Holy Spirit, the Father.
But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and
brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke
By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out
of their mouths.
The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his
indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the
presence of the Lamb:
And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived
them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a
lake of fire burning with brimstone.
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet
are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and
idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second
of Sodom and Gomorrah in the future and we know God rained down brimstone on them. Humans....we think we are
If you will look at the "Hell" page in this site, you will see some pictures of Gehenna. Gehenna is referenced in the
scriptures that use the words "unquenchable fire". History says the Gehenna was the garbage dump of Jerusalem.
There was always fire there burning up the refuse. As long as there was something that fed the flame it was
unquenchable. Now, Gehenna or the valley of Hinnom is not the city dump and it is not burning.
Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn
up the chaff with unquenchable fire.
Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and will gather the wheat into his garner; but the chaff
he will burn with fire unquenchable.
Outer Strongs # 1857 Exoteros
Darkness Strongs # 4655 Skotos
children of the kingdom. In none of the verses do we see the sinner or wicked being being cast into
outer darkness. It seems to be people who have access to the truth and do nothing with it. Or people
who know the truth and "seem" to be walking in it but actually have not surrendered to Christ.
But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness;
there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
This particular verse is speaking of the man that was found at the wedding supper without a wedding
garment on. He was among the second group that had been invited to the supper(the gentiles). One
might think it strange that being in the gentile group that was invited after the "chosen" ones rejected
the invitation, that he would be cast out. But, in Romans 11 we read that even though the gentiles were
grafted into the olive tree, that didn't mean they could not be broken off as well as the Jews who
rejected. The guy was obviously one who was invited but was still trying to do things his way. There is
only one way and we all must come to the point of total surrender. Less of self, more of Christ.
And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
overlooked while the "dogs" or gentiles are welcomed into the kingdom will indeed be a matter of great
sorrow and regret...weeping and gnashing of teeth. In fact, the rich man in Hades described it as being
"tormented in this flame". He could see the beggar Lazarus in the bosom of Abraham where he should
Lu 13:28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob,
and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.
But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of
And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of
Plain and simple...gnashing of teeth speaks of regret.
Joh 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
Joh 18:10 Then Simon Peter having a sword drew it, and smote the high priest's servant, and cut off his right ear.
The servant's name was Malchus.
Joh 21:6 And he said unto them, Cast the net on the right side of the ship, and ye shall find. They cast therefore,
and now they were not able to draw it for the multitude of fishes.
Joh 21:11 Simon Peter went up, and drew the net to land full of great fishes, an hundred and fifty and three: and
for all there were so many, yet was not the net broken.
them into the marketplace unto the rulers,
Ac 21:30 And all the city was moved, and the people ran together: and they took Paul, and drew him out of the
temple: and forthwith the doors were shut.
It is easy to see what this particular word "draw" means. When Jesus said He would draw all men to Himself if He was
lifted up on the cross, did He mean it? Or, do we just breeze right over that verse because we really don't know what
to make of it? Or, do we read the Bible with such a mind set that we are prevented from seeing what verses like this
one really says?
You know, for Jesus NOT to draw all men to Himself, to purposely leave some out, doesn't sound like something He
would do to me. Especially, when us humans were playing the role we were assigned by the Creator(Jesus). Romans
8 tells us we were subjected to vanity and corruption NOT WILLINGLY. (that fact alone should begin to make us feel
accept a sin nature? To become a sinner? I don't either. But we have to admit ...we are
Because "somebody" created a serpent. Because "somebody" subjected us to futility/corruption/vanity. That's why
we are sinners. God planned it that way. Now, if that be the truth, and the Bible clearly says it is, then God is liable for
our being sinners. OK, if God is liable for our being sinners it makes perfect sense that when all is said and done that
He will also DRAW all of mankind back to Himself, doesn't it? Yes, it does!
come up with some ridiculous, hair brained, reason to try to get God off the hook for what He did! He didn't concoct
some fiendish plan to cause us all to be sinners then, only draw a few of us back to Himself...listen to what He said...
Doesn't that make perfect sense? Even in the Law in the OT we read of the laws of liability. God's own
law shows that He is just and fair. God is responsible for our plight, He is also responsible for our
deliverance from it.....we just have a process to walk out. Here are some of those laws of liability:
God and about our destiny. But, fact is, that is the case. Mainline denominational and
interdenominational churches, ministers and lay people, are coming into the understanding that Jesus
really is the savior of the world. I for one, am so grateful and excited about it I just don't know what to do!
I am so proud of God!
anyone who believes it to be a literal pit of fire, meant to burn people endlessly, has not given it much thought at all.
And, with that definition in mind, if they do think about it for any length of time, they will go mad.
hold your pet's little paw on the stove... ooooh, how can I even have such a thought? Well, catch a mouse and hold
it's paw on the stove, on the low setting, mind you, not on high. You wouldn't dare do such a thing would you?
And, not for 5 seconds but forever?
look into what the Bible says about judgment and punishment?
dividing the word of truth. I believe God will honor our attempts at studying and rightly dividing His word no matter
how feeble they may be, if, we are honestly searching for truth. This God, who could have obliterated us when we
rebelled against Him, yet, chose to become one of us, has given us His word to guide and instruct us. It came to us
through human hands and because of that, it has human flaws, but, in spite of the flaws, it works!
thoughts within me thy comforts delight my soul." Debbie
|"Some through the fire,
Some through the flood.
Some through great trials,
But ALL through the blood."
These are "pivotal" words in our understanding of how God deals with His creation. For example, everlasting
punishment in Matthew 25:46. Now you wouldn't think one would have to look up the meaning of that little phrase,
would you? But if we don't, we believe it means some will be punished endlessly when what it really says in the Greek
language is that some will be "pruned" for a season or an age.
Draw means to drag. Gnashing of teeth speaks of regret. Torment...test for genuineness.
Brimstone is sulfur, healing and cleansing. The unquenchable fire doesn't go out as long as it is needed.
Think About it
My husband works
with the telephone
company. He was
working on an
phone a couple of
days ago. My
him, "do you
believe in endless
"that what's it
Then I asked my
husband, "did he
make any attempt
to see to it that
you don't go
there?" He said,
That just baffles
the hell out of me!
I just bet if my
husband had been
really hot and
thirsty and had
poured himself a
glass of gasoline
to drink, that
could to stop him
from drinking it,
don't you think?
But, as far as he
knew, my husband
could have been
on his way to Hell,
forever. Is that not
drinking a glass of
How many people
have you tried to
keep out of Hell
|One of the
studies I have
come across is
You know how
the gospel of
about the fire
what in the
I have heard
"well, their worm is
speaking of the
entity of man". This
is, I suppose,
trying to show that
one will live
endlessly in Hell.
Well, I have
Do you know
means in the
Skolex, the kind of
worm that eats dead
The particular "hell"
that Mark is speaking
of is Gehenna,
dump.(see pic on Hell
Page) Making more
sense now isn't it?
That's also how the
unquenchable fire fits
in. It's unquenchable
as long as there is
something to burn.
But if you look at
Gehenna, you will
see that it is no
longer on fire and
there may not be any
maggots there either,
unless there's a dead
bird or rat or some